Teen Gothic

I've been obsessed with it for a couple days or so now. I need more bands that are Switchblade Symphony adjacent.

Ok, I'm a complete babybat and I'm still learning about all this. The quote from the title is NOT something that I said but it was something an "elder experienced goth" told me and I'm not sure whether that person is being truthful or not.

This elder Goth talks about how Goth "HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH PUNK" because "goth was the opposite reaction to the ultra political movement of punk and it's only based in art and every sociopolitical expression should be discarded immediately from the subculture" According to this person "Goth is Apolitical"

This elder Goth also separates the Punk from the Post Punk movement and says that "Post Punk was created out of this "'Punk is dead' realization and it's meant to NOT be political at all because it seeks the opposite of what Punk was = zero involvement in politics" This person also discards ABSOLUTELY any kind of DIY because "DIY derives from Punk and the Goth Subculture was created from Post Punk NOT from the Punk movement, so it's NOT related at all"

That's sounds really interesting ngl, most of us have the idea that Goth was a direct product of punk but this "elder wise goth" makes a distinction between Punk and Post Punk and explains that Goth was born out of Post Punk as a backlash from Punk politics.

What y'all think about this, do you really think that Goth is COMPLETELY APOLITICAL AND ANY SOCIOPOLITICAL POSITION SHOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY DISCARDED BECAUSE GOTH IS APOLITICAL (?????????????????)

I'm going to be honest, I'm not 100% sure about what this person told me because this "elder wise goth" is a transphobic and has stalked and has harassed others Goths online with the excuse of "correcting them" about the origins of the subculture.

Or "baby bat", whichever you prefer.

In the early 00s, I saw "babybat" everywhere. A term of endearment and acceptance. Someone new to the subculture who listened to actual goth music, unlike the edgy teenagers who mistook Marilyn Manson and Slipknot for goth musicians. (There was a derogatory phrase for those people: "spookykids".)

Lots of members of this sub have used that phrase. Whenever I did, I was met with disapproval. "It's extremely patronizing."

Which is it? What are your thoughts?

This is normally how I do my makeup. I wanna slowly but surely transition to doing more of a trad goth style of makeup. But I especially wanna change my eyeshadow routine. But I can't seem to find a good, affordable, and pigmented eyeshadow. That and I'm not very good at eyeshadow lol. I would appreciate some make recommendations(for products) and tips. Thanks 🙂

So basiclly. Im on discord and people have told me that I'm too dark to be goth or too fat/chubby to be goth. Its getting to me and i want to know how to ignore it. Its happening too much and i need advice as a baby bat trying to start out.

Hey everyone! I need music recs. I’m already a part of the emo and punk subcultures, but I’ve been wanting to get into goth. Some of my favorite bands currently r MCR, Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Oozes, Green Day, AJJ, and Fall Out Boy. Thx in advance!!